Miscellaneous 0000039614 00000 n 222 0 obj <>stream %%EOF Once tested and successful the weapon was stamped with a seal to Anyone have the latest date codes? 0000084840 00000 n 0000005085 00000 n Italian Date Codes. 0000001896 00000 n JavaScript is disabled. fW5Zi|Fki"Mf4i{~9wY C [[8jD=z"ef ~ZckGWE(}vE|4 The system of proof in Great Britain was as follows: In England, the second charter of the Gunmakers Company granted in 1672 marked the beginning of the official proving of arms, but it did not apply to weapons made elsewhere in the Kingdom, provided they were not offered for sale in the London market. 0000004652 00000 n 0000055241 00000 n The "PN" are the initials for "polere nera" or black powder. 0000003080 00000 n The "PN" are the initials for "polere nera" or black powder. From left to right (upside down) are the test house and black powder proof house stampings, followed by a boxed BM, denoting a . 0000069587 00000 n On our website you can find manufacturers and suppliers of guns and ammo from all world. TABLE OF RELATION BETWEEN LETTERS AND YEARS FOR THE ITALIAN PROOFTEST HOUSE The second one PN under a star means BLACK POWDER PROOFING (P stands for POLVERE - POWDER, N stands for NERA - BLACK) 5% DISCOUNT ON ORDERS OVER 5000 ROUNDS!!! 0000003674 00000 n :hatsoff: That is exactly the table that I was looking for. I cant seem to find the exact one any where. This mark appears with the standard marks and standard load marks for the caliber. 0000029262 00000 n If poorly timed, rough and ill fitted revolvers are exported to the USA on a regular basis the actual proofing may also be skipped. 0000080318 00000 n There used to be an odd-duck that came about several ways. 0000012886 00000 n 1810 - 1853. 0000067053 00000 n 0000050991 00000 n 0000109981 00000 n But I am starting to believe this is true. Single Action Presenta. 0000002251 00000 n 0000016679 00000 n ix)]'Aa-;O;KGg 6+Rg^vF$^og>XxZaNz:E . 0000000016 00000 n Pietta 1858 Remington Buffalo Black Powder Revolver - .44 Caliber 12" Barrel Brass Frame w/ Blued Barrel - RGC44. The fourth the crossed branches, with the letters S.E.E., and a cross in their angles. <<9CAB7C9ADE9DBB4DB23FAD02FA255802>]>> Flog?5BnS'Vz] Wd;No$wBj2O56~N)T%D-69_f)Bl[RfU[aSV. 0000064924 00000 n The hammer also wont engage the safety notches (too wide). {Za%a\#XDs9dE;*ci8=agercR"Vf|^z 96MXKk8}vd+X0L@skz j> 'th,6bB%t%]iNjNyksz+l4 C2&y*8NOalS?E:{'-~+[+GOk-cOcJ( oGljoR_Gb }6[w;vd ! endstream endobj 34 0 obj 782 endobj 35 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 34 0 R >> stream Once tested and successful the weapon was stamped with a seal to acknowledge the testing - called "Proof Marks". 0000001791 00000 n To make purchases and use the full site services, register or login your account, Shooting accessories/Guns storage/Training, Immediate shipping on a all products listed, Contract - 5.56 x 45mm 62 Gr. Uberti cartridge rifles embody the look and feel of the Old West. interlaced, and surmounted by a crown. They are built with state-of-the-art materials, so you can enjoy safe and reliable performance with modern ammunition. Yk1wJuYdBY"dS =\ =bz_$[om^+eh,*({5)JIZDf? since 1951 Gardone & Brescia 1st black powder proof PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. Italy started rather late with proofmarks, they started on december 30:th 1923 with a proof that was compulsory. EMF Company, Inc. 1900 East Warner Ave. Proof Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. xref examiner must rely on proof marks when trying to identify these 0000001196 00000 n For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Uberti cartridge revolvers are true replicas of original historical designs. These small manufacturers started with supplying only parts and then evolved into completed guns. Marlin-Savage-Winchester Birmingham had also a proof, but this test was not obligatory, and makers evaded the tests. '9+ }`=swrE-OqmU>zAw$aAY@O| 0000028135 00000 n 0000001623 00000 n skootchingdog 4 yr. ago It seems fitting that "XXX" happened in the 70's. 0000003880 00000 n This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. 0000005765 00000 n 0000141211 00000 n 0000059736 00000 n 0000009527 00000 n 0000052647 00000 n Gun Barrel Proof Marks. Their proof marks are two feathers, or curved branches, crossed with letters in the angles of the cross so formed. 0000004861 00000 n This mark is found on guns that is not made in Belgium by countries that use proofs that is not recognized by the Belgian Proof House. 1945 = 1. for identifying the acceptance and proof marks as it appears, many 0000008871 00000 n 1947 = 3. 0000057983 00000 n 0000067226 00000 n Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. 0000016641 00000 n I think it is a new Army 1858 but the Navy Arms on the top of barrel confuses me. This is from a Deluxe engraved Pedersoli Le Page pistol, and all of the stampings are on the underside of the barrel. They are often found in combination with proof-marks, and still more frequently on unproved arms made in countries where no official proof was existent. H\@OQEcb{+ nb~{:0|wvrqrkx?:S],\hi~,]#M=m.0Mn6sjZ]e/&oKZ!b>^SM U\bw~tWcV.Y,qd^"+"!b^!{w{=2i3{dad:=Npz:=~E~e~MYxGxGxGxGxGx=SOA>} Ordinance and Proof Houses were established by law in almost every 0000124308 00000 n This type of proof is designed to prevent the manufacturer from continuing work on barrel blanks which may have hidden defects. Post request for quotation and get multiple offers from manufacturers. Founded in 1957 by the late Val Forgett, Jr. Over the years, this company has imported many black-powder and modern surplus firearms and replicas. 1851 Navy Engraved .44 Cal Nickel Black Powder Revolver. In the picture below you can see first the year of manufacture "BM" indicating it was made in 1999. Tullea three spiked crown or mitre above a capital E (as shown below). View Models. The table below can be used to see if your gun was proofed in London or Birmingham. 0000108581 00000 n 0000008549 00000 n 0000014945 00000 n Proof Marks or "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. Recalling that I'd typically shot 30 grains through my Italian 1860 Army, I velocity-tested the Colt with 19 grains, 25 grains, and 30 grains. 21 Proof Marks - Germany 1891 - 1939 proof marks: Nitro Final proof Black powder Choked bore Rifled bore Smooth bore 22 Proof Marks - Germany Weapons manufactured prior to the proof law taking effect (1893) were required grandfathered, but had . In my own web search for the most recent date code chart, I came across this one: What is the date for CT code? The PN stamp means "poudre noir" or black powder proof. The barrel pictured is a perfect example as it bears all of the Italian proof marks described. endstream endobj 137 0 obj <> endobj 138 0 obj <>/Encoding<>>>>> endobj 139 0 obj <> endobj 140 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB]/ExtGState<>>> endobj 141 0 obj <> endobj 142 0 obj <> endobj 143 0 obj <> endobj 144 0 obj <> endobj 145 0 obj <> endobj 146 0 obj <> endobj 147 0 obj <> endobj 148 0 obj <>stream Knowledge of commonly used military ammunition assists 35 45 1946 = 2. to identify the manufacturer. The third is a plain stamp, with the letters A.V.E. 0000012277 00000 n 0000115678 00000 n Also has pn with shield on cylinder. Under their charter the Gunmakers Company had powers to prove and mark all manner of hand guns, daggs, and pistols, and every part thereof, whether made in London or in the suburbs, or within ten miles thereof, or brought thither for sale, or imported for foreign parts. The barrel and cylinder are blued steel. Beretta used no date code in 1944. Thanks, Spence. 0000011188 00000 n After years of looking at and trying The AE is the proof mark and that is decoded as 1979. ALL CAN BE SEEN IN THE P. on Jan 23, 2018. %PDF-1.6 % xb``e``yhXa`+(y-[6zX8-dRRh i9W@Zu"vl=d*b5,JqXx ,8Pl}C;a>aN )10Zx'@ R3 Web site designed & maintained by Cap and Ball Revolvers . 0000005072 00000 n Armourers marks are quite distinct from proof-marks, and comprise the private marks, ciphers, stamps, or signatures of the individual armourers or gunsmiths. It is not clear to me when firearms by Italian manufacturers other than Beretta began to be marked with date codes - it may have been as late as 1954, with the Roman numeral X. Update: (This was originally posted in 2006.) M855 Green Tip. 0000052548 00000 n 1873 cattleman new model black powder muzzle loading Showing all 17 results Default sorting Sort by popularity Sort by newness Sort by price: low to high Sort by price: high to low H\j0~ 0000009831 00000 n to identify antique arms from different parts of the world, we decided 0000026203 00000 n You are using an out of date browser. 0000003341 00000 n You can choose to work with makers from Italy directly or contact distributors for a more varied assortment. 136 0 obj <> endobj typically do not have a caliber designation; symbols and codes are used From left to right: year of manufacture, Gardone V.T. time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. There is no doubt that this system contributed much to the good report in which properly proved arms were held, and laid the foundation of much export trade. Serial Numbers. 0000005051 00000 n Testing the gun hb````g`c`0 B@16Le7w'o{` TxMCS/xJe:JgNf_%B"\j %Ry\azM,Po}*;dA6a` q !I20d JPB`P!f)L|1>(x5 LN!A!p5_6&.g`xi,alhpg+. Specifications: Manufacturer -- Fusav di Bini & Baronio (Italy) Date Code -- "AD" = 1978 date of manufacture Barrel Markings: Left side -- 36 Cal. Italian Date Codes. The Gibbs Deluxe Target Rifle features an octagon-to-round blued steel barrel, checkered and oil finished walnut stock with pistol grip, and premium wood butt plate and nose cap. Included with the marks is a brief history of each of the manufacturers who made or are still making these replicas and the importers/distributors who imported these replicas based on what is currently known about them. 0000051690 00000 n It has the two proof marks and the letters PN but nothing else other than the serial number. DGG with backwards C with looks to be 58 after it under the barrel. 0000050889 00000 n SKU: FR185117. These guns will also have the "NP" mark. Some of the better reproductions, such as those by Colt, Ruger, or Thompson Center, might tend to retail more in the $100 to $350 range. Over the years I was amazed at the poor quality control done. Most imported black powder replica revolvers are stamped with a variety of markings Italian, Belgian, German, Spanish or other Proof House symbols, manufacturer's symbols, and importer's symbols along with an encoded date of proof, also considered the date of manufacture. will normally provide the information needed to make a caliber H|TMs0+Vcv~$C4=[Yb$9?dowy3YY^TO~&nV;r6gReI LiFZj2C&-zR` >RPo$Q2y4%TCpu352ji%:@"BHUSYX}n CQCY}B%I"T4~S-2 +{gzIE$Or}a;nY 98cjdi (1 D,)} 0000027918 00000 n It has the standard Italian proof marks and date code (AD). 0000002052 00000 n 1970 = XXVI. These marks have all the characteristic appearance of a rectangle, with a small blob at the top rather like a tied up sack of corn. Most specimen marks are of this nature, and it is no unusual thing to find the marks of two different smiths upon the same weapon, one man signing the lock work, the other being the barrel maker. Get this product now as it would not last. 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Their health and their love.I love The people I have gotten to meet in sass and the ones that have just talked to on the wire.I do like to shoot and pick on people at the shoot.I love the hugs I get and the ones I will get when I meet some on you people. The 0000001156 00000 n Misc. It is usually a combination of heraldry and letters or logos, which need to be decoded in order to determine the actual manufacturer of the reproduction. I wonder what the odds of a real Walker turning up in Switzerland are? Italian Proofmarks & Dates of Manufacture 1945 - 2030, shooting, hunting, fishing, blacksmithing. 0000039439 00000 n Feedback. THE PROOF MARK IS A STAR OVER PN. Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks, Manufacturers In stock. 0000080946 00000 n Revolvers are marked on barrel, on the frame, and on each chamber. The fifth a crown, with three crossed spikes set over a capital E. Other French towns had their special marks, such as Your gun appears to be made by one of the lesser known companies as it doesn't say Uberti or Pietta. PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. and 20 Gauge. Bookmark 0000036933 00000 n x4hjF%1I'WVH">^I*Yt} FSYD"}di)IK n!Hhf$=o:k$y}$*&L(\G'zyKdlG?Q\7>>SSV6K#OqDSIpzNh~~ x #=l%l&U ps~31H^$qB^7'0]?Ew#E=9+|uL>k/,xS-7wiN=KqOF` m2; ul_w`N` Lv endstream endobj 36 0 obj 741 endobj 37 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 36 0 R >> stream Military firearms can be difficult to identify because they 148 0 obj <> endobj date, serial number and property marks as well as various acceptance and startxref jh-@^z^gq}$g=@(M B{)C[ (1977 and 1979) Now, if I had only had the presence of mind to write down that info when I finished the .36 cal brass framed pistol kit. Established in 1960 by Knight Giuseppe Pietta, the company first entered the world of gun-making by producing hunting guns, including side-by-side and over and under shotguns. An additional listing showing old PN in French does indeed mean Poudre Noire, but as most BP handguns we see these days are made in Italy then it stands for Polvere Nero - Italian for black powder. All that tells is that it was made in Italy in 1976. 0000012820 00000 n Location: High & Dry . 0000049974 00000 n black powder proof house stamping, and Gardone proof house stamping. Dashing Leper 36 Cl. Quick View Add to Cart . 0000001537 00000 n +J+J+J+J4+J4+Ji4F`4F`4fCg~1x:4lCC6a` ? ? 0 A great deal of painstaking research work is necessary before a list of armourers marks applied to pistols can be compiled, but I have every hope of preparing such a list at a future date when peace is restored in Europe and the great museum collections are accessible. Italian Proofmarks & Dates of Manufacture 1945 - 2030 By Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 December 20, 2013 in SASS Wire Start new topic Posted December 20, 2013 Here are the codes for knowing when your Italian-manufactured firearm was made (proof date) This is from an Italian shotgun Website: shotguns.se/html/italy.htm Underneath the whole appears the word St. Etienne. The second is the crossed branches, with the letters A.E. Davide Pedersoli's philosophy has been and is to retrace history by offering superior quality products even in gun reproductions Recreating a history of more than 150 years, our models represent for collectors, shooters and hunters a wide range of guns, short and long, military and civil, that characterize the historic period between the 1730 . U.S.A.Most pistols exported from the United States are not proof marked in their country of origin. Last edited: Feb 17, 2018. 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I pray for all on the wire and all that I shoot with.After this last fight with cancer that my wife and GOD and all of you that prayed for her.Things change your outlook some. View Models. trailer AN ITALIAN .44 BLACK POWDER REVOLVER SERIAL NUMBER D50212. Italian Firearms Year of Manufacture Look Up works for Beretta, Benelli and other Italian firearms. I have a older or what looks to be older blacke powder revolver that i have purchased. I would be grateful to any lover of arms who possesses authentic dated weapons, or has catalogued a private collection, if he would send to me, in care of my publishers, any such information which will add to the mass of fact available. I hope it will aid those seeking information on their black powder cap & ball reproduction revolvers. S. The standard proving of weapons rose out of the need for protection on the part of the public against unreliable weapons, and it was also a means of protecting the armourer guild and good craftsmen against outside competition with cheap imported arms. manufactured firearms, such as pistols from Spain and Italy, will list a Some of the tables stop at 2010 or so. Rifles & Musket Information. Board Of Large quantity of surplus guns and exotic guns, 155MM HE 107 Full Zone 8 Charge with Electronic Fuze, BA 312 Semi-Auto Magazine Tube Tactical Shotgun, BA 912 Bullpup Mag-Fed Semi-Auto (2 Different Mold). Pietta. A PDF link to Dennis Adler's article about Italian Black Powder Proof marks is given below. By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. The butt is marked "PFT FIE ITALY", etched "5K8 12 80755". 0000005921 00000 n Crown CP (final black powder proof for the smooth bored muzzle loader barrels. 0000117775 00000 n 0000007778 00000 n Seen Definitive proof applies to all weapons and shows that the weapon has been tested with an overcharge of propellant and missile. Predictably, speed jumped from around 750 fps to well above 900 fps. There were a good many very small family shops in the Gardone, Brescia area of Italy like MOFRA and others. Ever wonder what all those stamp marks on your Italian cap 'n ball revolver mean? Italian Firearms Year of Manufacture Look Up. 1968 = XXIV. These marks are customarily the cipher of the gunsmiths guild and the mark of the State or city. b` I"G3M9YCNxB5)f(1TVVA |7dZgM gBg >noPow l+zyU"^-0x5LH2O4~3z1RuYC.5,CJc38Z"(:o0IoJ(V-7Lvh{_.#DAh8 In 1888 it was decided by a joint meeting of the Gunmakers Company and the Birmingham Guardians that a new supplementary proof for smokeless powder should be instituted in 1893, 1896, and 1904; the rules were further adjusted to allow for new powders. 1969 = XXV. Worldwide Logistics for all your products. I have searched for this site but can't find it. In 2012, Navy Arms now operated by Val Forgett III, temporarily suspended the importation side of the business. 148 75 Liege. 0000007642 00000 n C.-{.-~Q~vVW?[.aMF^fV?4J/:50fb0L@w6l=lMaCFnO,ta#ip:xCr3A?Z[Hi6? 0000007839 00000 n 0000062418 00000 n Seen on repaired guns that required re=proofing. 0000015263 00000 n this location now so you can return often. 0000039418 00000 n Italian reproduction date markings Italian reproduction date markings By Brasspounder December 23, 2014 in SASS Wire Start new topic Brasspounder Members 321 Gender:Male Location:Fairbanks, Alaska Interests:Shooting old time blackpowder guns, landline telegraphy, railroads SASS# 9076 Golden Heart Shootist Society, Fairbanks, Alaska 0000113366 00000 n 0000016749 00000 n xref Serial Numbers. 0000015377 00000 n 0000009592 00000 n weapon. There is a crown over V, which is a final view mark for proof. 0000131632 00000 n It has black powder only on one of the lower barrel flats but is stamped upside down. 0000099401 00000 n The well-known Waffenamt Nazi symbol was actually a military acceptance mark, and not a proof mark. Largest pricelist of weapons and civil supplies. Gun Proof Marks, Stamps and Date Codes . 0000008059 00000 n It is possible that these shops did not have an Italian firearms manufacturers license and could not sell their products direct, so they were sold through other manufacturers who had a license. 0000060740 00000 n All rights reserved. http://www.powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf You must have Adobe or similar software to read pdf files. for your continued support, encouragement and admonishment. The information was given to me years ago and yes I was wondering myself how they got 30% more powder into the cylinders! 0000002668 00000 n It may not display this or other websites correctly. Join Date: August 15, 2012. 22 0 obj << /Linearized 1 /O 25 /H [ 1485 306 ] /L 118117 /E 82195 /N 2 /T 117559 >> endobj xref 22 45 0000000016 00000 n 0000004778 00000 n I saw that as wellnote that AE was used, but "BE" is skipped. FABBRICA ARMI F.LLI PIETTA DI PIETTA GIUSEPPE EC. endstream endobj 43 0 obj <> endobj 44 0 obj <>stream 0000078548 00000 n 0000129535 00000 n referred to more commonly as "Proof Marks", 0000016830 00000 n 0000105361 00000 n LSB#: 210317JM01. 0000008724 00000 n Again, thank you 0000014575 00000 n As a result, we have a group of markings appearing on replica revolvers that have taken a long time to be identified because of the special conditions in the market at that time. 0000106738 00000 n It is available on the web from Adobe as a free download. Proof marks are the official stamps or ciphers showing that a barrel has been properly tested with the prescribed excess charges of powder and ball that allow a large factor of safety to the user. These traditional single-shot, rolling block, trapdoor, and slide- and lever-action . 0000001338 00000 n My feeling is you have a Walker copy someone made look old. 0000007873 00000 n I relative gave me a .36 Colt-type percussion revolver. 0000002659 00000 n 0000006260 00000 n that we have found on this subject. That mark is the Italian proof mark for black powder, thus your gun is or Italian origin. The most visible change is the change from a crown to a star 1950 so crown and PSF is from the time between 1923 and 1950. Next is the mark which has "PN" - the Gardone & Brescia 1st Black Powder Proof mark used since 1959. 0000102139 00000 n This rifle is equipped with an elevation and windage adjustable Creedmoor rear sight and spirit-level tunnel front sight with windage adjustment micrometer screw. 0000080589 00000 n This warning appears on the bar- 0000074288 00000 n 0000013943 00000 n 0000009076 00000 n 0000008370 00000 n 0000011101 00000 n If it is a fake it's more likely any of the Italian proof marks and makers stamps were carefully filed off or filled then filed. Further changes were initiated, when smokeless powder necessitated more stringent conditions of proof. Saillevillean E. reversed set in a square stamp (as shown below). Usually, these replicas are made by companies such as Uberti or Pietta, but smaller, lesser known Italian companies often make these as well. 0000027315 00000 n NRA Life Patron, US Navy 1967-2001; Vintage motorcycle racing, restoring; CAS; Trap; Skeet; US&World History; Work DoD weapons R&D. This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. 0000064406 00000 n Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. below are samples of Proof Marks of different countries. Birmingham did not establish its proof houses until 1813, and though another Act was passed in 1815 to strengthen the former, the laws were not stringent enough, and the Birmingham proof was not recognized as sound until much later, when the Act of 1855, still unsatisfactory, and the eventually satisfactory one of 1868, was passed. The top of the barrel is marked, " Connecticut Valley Arms-Made in Italy". 0 NRA Museums: PROOF MARKS - Comparing the proof marks on your gun to this chart may help you determine where and when your gun was made, including guns where no other markings are evident. HWMs8WLE ydljblj+-Q%xvn Tr @w|;-'.y':BRdiR4&I &Ml7!e6"G'&y~>mh2?/.^/Fhy9xamNvYNy2k3ZX(`BIFybVE2-p$d(IF *^bSCv.* bW2P5a)M'?5*VT"fEdv/}Y4tU=iaf6hj\3qRplj9l#~ Oe{'zp{BM Uberti set the standard for producing quality replica firearms by which all others are judged. During the 1960s, 1970s, and even into the 1980s there was a bonanza market for these replica revolvers. 0000010034 00000 n Fjestad. 0000147394 00000 n The brass frame makes it a Confederate. reference books that display proof marks and their meanings. 0000004871 00000 n Anyways, the modern stampings are needed to produce a legal firearm in Italy (black powder p [roof testing and overall firearm inspection proof for example) and to allow it to be exported/imported into the USA by a number of importers/vendors under mass or individual contracts. 0000007017 00000 n 0000051585 00000 n since 1950 E. German, Suhl 1st black powder proof for smooth bored barrels since 1950 E. German, Suhl inspection mark since 1950 E. German, Suhl choke-bore barrel mark PROOF MARKS: GERMAN PROOF MARKS, cont. Of course, the date stamp is not on the barrel or cylinder, but the other marks are. gSchf41,%0&nMF;RD}|MY3-!!6m"m._Z8eGW7F]_[jGFS/`L{U\_&?4c@4xhZ+FGmLQA!^D9`xk'3'SL`AbE39a1Xl72t1Hl>|l lX3r7 @^o5I+u`,cB|H^iaPcbxW|)skz5UXx?8|qAo:"QUvbsd,!BD_Z6R'z~oAWF|1b+Q5,J[D:Spx%Ojoqo[$4gxcX-)I._[2$)Kfk4Z?X-DNP[I1bv(~SE_m6#O. Re: italian made .44 black powder revolver That's essentially a copy of a copy. 0000010816 00000 n It is also these proofmarks, especially manufacturer symbols/logos that give us a history of the firearm. 0000071997 00000 n CD - 2009. 0000013204 00000 n CF - 2010. <<421B3FD89E55944EA1FB205BE7ED37D9>]/Prev 780315>> Junior Member . 0000011827 00000 n 0000014256 00000 n Does anyone know where I could find the codes? Parisa cipher of E. and P. set back to back (as shown below). 1951 Gardone & amp ; Dry proofmarks, especially manufacturer symbols/logos that give us a history of stampings. Reproduction revolvers 30: th 1923 with a 30 % plus load has black powder proof n 0000115678 n! 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